Mr. Fintan Drury:

Well, I think the first point to make is, that those statements, if you juxtapose or juxtaposition one against the other, they are irreconcilable. If you ... but that's the view of the PAC reviewing what it saw as being the performance and the stewardship within Anglo at a moment in time or over a period of time, rather. And you are juxtapositioning that against the corporate governance statements in the annual reports, and I'm saying to you ... what I'm saying to you is that, if you simply take one commentary and put it against the other and present them as you have done, they are irreconcilable .