Ms Ethna Tinney:

Generally, those meetings occurred within a board meeting. So the actual length of time that the non-executives had together was limited. I would also make the point that, although the executive directors withdrew, the chairman remained. So in terms of a conversation that could become uncomfortable, let's say, in terms of making a genuine, kind of, investigation between the non-execs into what they felt was going on and whether it was excessive or whatever, was impeded by the chairman.