Ms Ethna Tinney:

No, because my sense at this stage on the board ... certainly by 2005 but even earlier on, was that I was beginning to be regarded as a troublemaker, as a naysayer, as a maverick. There were other people on the board who had a much deeper understanding of the financials, in the sense that they were part of the financial industry, okay? And, therefore, yes, of course, you know, I would look at these figures and it didn't happen just in, say, 2005 for three years. Every year, we would be presented by the chief executive with the most seductive, is the word I would use again, seductive suggestions about profitability and growth.