Mr. John Gormley:

I do know that Anglo themselves tried to persuade people in government that they were going concern, that everything was, to use ... it wasn't fine, but they were telling us that they could continue on. And, as I said - and I will consult afterwards - my colleague at the time, the finance spokesperson, Dan Boyle, was the one who said, no, we've ... there is a problem. Now, and that came from information that was supplied to us by Eamon Ryan, but I'm more than happy to go back, and, can I say this, Chairman? Eamon Ryan took copious notes, and those notes are now in the UCD archive. I suggest that they should be here, in front of you and your committee, because they're the best notes. In fact, at one stage other members of the Cabinet used to get a little bit irritated there were so many notes being taken. But they're there, and I think they would provide an important insight for this committee. And I would suggest that, not only do you get hold of those notes that are in the UCD archive, but that you would also interview Eamon Ryan as well.