Mr. John Gormley:

I'd a funny feeling that was going to come up. And I can say, I remember Mary Harney saying that to me and I was absolutely mortified when it appeared in the newspaper. It was ... John Downey, the deputy press secretary, came to me and apologised to me that it appeared in the newspaper and then I subsequently apologised to Minister Harney. But, it actually isn't true. I can tell you that now. Some of the worst days we've ever had was when we were in government and it was unimaginable and just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it did. So-----