Mr. John Gormley:

Well, Deputy, I said in my opening remarks that I felt that the record-keeping sometimes left something to be desired. I was aware on occasion when I would go into the Department, I would see people ... representatives of the construction industry in the Department. Nobody ever lobbied me personally. I ... it was common practice at the time that the Minister for the Environment would be invited to the CFI annual dinner. I went, I think, on the first occasion and gave a speech which was probably not to their liking, when I talked about the over-zoning and all the rest. So, I was never personally lobbied but I have no doubt that they were in the corridors of power. Very often, it made more sense for lobbyists to go directly to the Department of Finance.