Mr. John Gormley:

Yes, and I can't give you an exact time but I do know that concerns were raised by my colleague, Eamon Ryan. I do know that our finance spokesperson, Dan Boyle, similarly raised concerns, so much so that I think Alan Dukes was very critical of our finance person at that stage because Dan Boyle was saying that, I think - and, again, I'm aware that ... I'm trying to be as accurate as I possibly can - I think if you check the records from that time, particularly the newspaper coverage, that Dan Boyle had made a statement that it has to be nationalised because of ... as far as he was concerned, there was ... there was a real problem.