Mr. John Gormley:

Well, you know, I don't even like talking about hindsight. What I do know is that I did trust Minister Lenihan. In my view, he ... and I discussed this with Deputy Murphy, just in the break there, he was working very long days. He was trying to do his best and I do know that, had it been necessary, he would have broached the subject. But I suppose, Deputy, you know, none of us knew that this meeting, this crisis meeting, including Minister Lenihan because I'm sure he would have informed me on the 28th, "There's going to be a major meeting tomorrow." I don't think he knew at that stage and so events moved very, very quickly the next day and, you know, I was, as I said, across the issue aware of it, but your question relates to should I have brought it up at Cabinet and, at that stage, I suppose it just ... it just wasn't there at the top of my agenda at that moment, you know? I brought it up with Minister Lenihan and the Taoiseach before Cabinet but the way it operates normally, as you know, is that it's the line Minister that brings up items at Cabinet.