Mr. John Gormley:

No, he didn't. The Minister didn't say that to me. The Minister always played his cards close to his chest and, you know, he did not want to say that probably to me but I knew from ... and this was the peculiar situation I was in, I was hearing what the Minister was thinking from David McWilliams and that's what he said. David McWilliams is very clear in that e-mail, as you can see, that we weren't to go down that particular route; we were to go with the full guarantee.