Mr. John Gormley:

Well, if you read the David McWilliams e-mail, which I have supplied at the request of the Chairperson, he goes into quite a bit of detail. And that's why I put it to Mr. Lenihan and I said, "Are we going with the McWilliams option"? The David McWilliams option. And he said, "Yes". And that's why I was clear in my own mind that I could approve this. Now, also, bear in mind that this was an incorporeal meeting, where you're not present. I don't think it would have changed one thing by me being present. No other members of the Cabinet were present. It wouldn't have changed anything, and-----