Mr. John Gormley:

I'll answer the second part of your question first. No, I wouldn't. I have given evidence here to show you very clearly that I was across the issue. And I think it's fair to say that I was more across this issue than other members of the Cabinet, with the exception, of course, of the Minister for Finance and the Taoiseach himself. And I had discussed it with Minister Lenihan. I had, as I said, discussed it with David McWilliams. Now, Mary Harney has made an interesting point here when she talks about challenging the consensus. Well I did challenge the consensus by taking a contrarian view. David McWilliams, as you know, was right about the bust, absolutely. I wanted to get his views and Minister Lenihan had taken on board his views as well. Both of us, therefore, were on the same page and-----