Mr. David Begg:

Well, the first thing I can say is it had nothing to do with the events which subsequently transacted in the Department of Finance that night. I met him to talk about the general budgetary situation and about, I remember pensions was an issue that we had on the agenda. I met him with a number of colleagues but it was part of a normal process of meetings that takes place around budget time between the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and the Government but there was no discussion at all about the crisis that was unfolding.