Mr. Bertie Ahern:

Well, what I said ... the ability as ... just to be clear about this, it is regular with people that say to me, you know, they say, "Bertie, listen, you must have known the extent of A, B or C of what they owed the bank, that they hadn't got guarantees. You must have seen the files." I know you people here are experts on this issue now. But the general public believe that the Taoiseach of the day and even very sophisticated people in there, believe that you had this information, that I knew what X, Y owed and what guarantees he had and that I was over coffee talking to the Governor of the Central Bank. I didn't know anything about any of that-----