Mr. Bertie Ahern:

Well, in my capacity is ... former capacity is, as being president of Fianna Fáil, I think we endeavoured as a political party to have a good contacts with as many sectors as we could, all sectors of industry. But I had a lot of dealings through the social partnership process with all of the main trade union-employer bodies and the CIF were quite a strong lobby as part of that process, as was IBEC and as were the Chamber of Commerce of Ireland, along with all the farming bodies. So I would have had dealings with them and from time to time, and they were most of my meetings because the CIF group represented, except the House Builders Association, but I don't ... I used to have a lot of dealings with the house builders when as Minister for Finance; I don't think I had too much dealings with them when I was Taoiseach.