John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

Okay. My final question Chairman, again, it goes back, I suppose, to where I was at the start. In your time, particularly in the time that you were chief executive of the IBF in the run-up to the guarantee, when Mr. Neary was the chief executive of the regulator, Mr. Hurley was the Governor of the Central Bank, can you briefly outline the nature of the relationship that you would have had, the level of contact that you would have had with either or both gentlemen, the level of even social contact outside of your lobbying activity as chief executive of the IBF?