Susan O'Keeffe (Labour) | Oireachtas source

Okay. I mean, you talked a little bit about that idea of being less than equal partners and your former colleague, Mr. Somers, referred to it as an inner circle and when asked what meant he said ... in evidence, he talked about the Central Bank, the Department of Finance and sometimes the regulator and that, if you like, the NTMA was outside that, and you've talked about a less than equal partnership. So did that extend to Ministers ... either of the Ministers for Finance and your relationship ... the NTMA's relationship with the Ministers and then, particularly in relation to the pressure that you came under to ... first of all, to direct the deposits to be put and then for those deposits potentially to be increased, which I know they weren't, but can you just describe that relationship?