John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Let me put it a different way. There is no major change. I see the names on these committees and the names that were on the committees. For me, the only thing that has changed is the title "VEC", which has been changed to "ETB". If those who were central to all of this ignored every letter from the Department, every muttering from within the system during these years of the Wild West, how can Mr. Owens expect them to change overnight the culture that they had all grown used to?