Mr. Brendan McDonagh:

No, because ... because at that ... as I said earlier on to Senator O'Keeffe, at that time things were moving rapidly, wholesale deposits were beginning to leave ... to leave the system, then the focus became on people getting worried about their personal ... personal deposits. And that meeting, really, was about personal deposits and it came up as an ... as I recall, as an aside of something ... something that was just thrown out there, but it was ... it was ... I think, Mr. Hurley just almost immediately dismissed it and said, "No, we're here to talk about personal deposits, that's what we got to deal with here".