Mr. Derek Quinlan:

-----the reality is when people ... when you become ... it's like if you're playing football and you suddenly have the touch of Ronaldo, who plays for Real Madrid, lots of people want to see him. I, you know, went from, you know, very, very modest earnings, Senator, and I'm not going to say it here in public, but you'd all be surprised ... I'm probably the only trainee who had started in Cooper's ... Cooper Brothers in 1970, who 20 years later was earning less money than I was in 1970, and I think that was a pretty unique position to be in.