Ms Cathy Herbert:

Well his demeanour was how were we ... how were we going to do this? That we would have to ... I mean it was ... his demeanour was, as it always was, let's get on to see how we're going to solve this difficulty. What are we now going to do? We had to work with the ECB and the Commission. And from then on we were in very intensive, you know, negotiations with them on budgetary matters and how we might bring them down. How we might bring down the ... that the minds could meet, in other words.