Ms Cathy Herbert:

Well I recall the meeting because a group of us went over and the people who got into the meeting were Kevin Cardiff and Michael McGrath. So myself, Alan Ahearne and Ann Dolan sat in a corridor in the Berlaymont while the meeting went on. So ... I mean, I became aware afterwards what the meeting was but I didn't sit at the meeting. It was unusual for me to go to Brussels to a meeting. The Minister didn't normally ask me to do so but he did ask me at short notice.