Ms Cathy Herbert:

No, we didn't ... oddly enough he didn't, he didn't indicate to me. I became aware of it afterwards, mainly through other officials who were there, and obviously ... I mean, it's clear now ... but, it didn't emerge to me as a problem and I think that if it had been a problem, if there had been a serious disagreement, in other words, if he felt he had been overruled in ... and if he was ... had a complaint, I would have known. And I didn't ... he would have discussed-----