Ms Cathy Herbert:

Well, I think it was normal practice that the chairman of the bank would meet the ... of banks, would meet the Minister and chief executive would meet officials. So there were contacts of that level. I'm not so sure, certainly afterwards, there was a lot of meetings. I'm sure you would have met the chairmen of the banks, I actually don't know that. But certainly after ... in after the guarantee obviously the State was much more involved in the entire banking system and there were regular meetings.