Ms Cathy Herbert:

Well, all I know about that, Chairman, is really what Kevin Cardiff had to say. I wasn't aware of any document being brought by them, by ... that night. I wasn't aware that night. I do know that my contemporary knowledge that night was that I wasn't aware. But I did become, I mean, it became something that I heard from various actors later, that they had come in with a guarantee. And Brian Lenihan, in that ... in his ... when he appeared before this committee, in 2009, the finance committee, as it then was, he did say that the two banks wanted a guarantee.