Ms Cathy Herbert:

No, no, I mean I was talking ... I was talking ... I was generally saying that that was what happened in advance of the night of the guarantee, we didn't have any ... So I didn't know about Anglo. But I mean, I'm aware of this thing that he was overruled on the night and I'm not clear really. I gather that was from the evidence of the Governor of the Central Bank and I'm not clear really whether that-----