Ms Cathy Herbert:

And I knew he was somebody who could be trusted and that the Minister could ring him and explain his position, that he would be a reasonable person and he did that. So I was aware from that about the concern about this possibility but really my focus was on a budget which was coming up. As you know the budget in that year had been brought forward to 14 October so that was where I was focused. But on that occasion I suggested that he ring Ed Mulhall.