Ms Cathy Herbert:

Some time in September 2008. I can't remember exactly the date. And he was worried about it and I was in my office working on something and he came in and asked me what, you know, he should do. He had got the phone number of the director general, Cathal Goan, at the time and I suggested that he should also ring Ed Mulhall whom I knew. I had worked in RTE, I knew him and I knew him to be somebody that you could trust.