Mr. Brian Cowen:

Well I was the senior person in the room but I didn't not choose to bring him in. I just didn't ... you know, I wasn't saying, "Keep someone out here." That didn't happen. I was simply making the decisions based on who was in the room. I didn't determine ... I knew the two top men were away. That's all I knew. Now the fact that there was someone else from the NTMA around for to help with any technical expertise or advice, that was fine if it that was the case. But I didn't ... I wasn't aware there was five people outside the room ... there's three from a bank and two from NTMA and one from Department of Finance. I wasn't ... I was concentrating on chairing the meeting I was at.