Mr. Brian Cowen:

No, usually what happened ... well, this may have been the case in this case, if Mr. Sheehy was in the Department on business, or whatever he was doing, sometimes he would ... it would be ... the secretary would write ... ring down to my office and say, "Would you like to meet this gentleman for a few minutes? He's in the building", or whatever. And I'd say, "Fine" and I'd go out to my office and ... beside my main office and talk to him about a few things. It'd be generally economic issues or broad issues. I don't recall-----