Mr. Brian Cowen:

No. How that came about was ... I was about to leave the Department of Finance at that stage. I was heading to the Taoiseach's office. Fintan Drury who, as has been said, is the first person I know since I was in college, he was leaving as director of the bank. His tenure was up, I think in May or something like that. So he said that it had been clear that the Anglo Irish Bank had sought me to have a meeting or to go to a dinner, a board dinner. I had never been in touch, they had never been in touch with me during my time as Minister for Finance, so they felt it wouldn't be appropriate ... it would be appropriate before I left the Department that I would join them for a dinner or whatever so I said, "Okay, when was that due?'' It was on at eight o'clock in the evening one evening. I was on my way home or would be heading for home after the meeting so I said to Mr. Drury, ''I'll go with you and you can introduce me to these people''. Many of them I didn't know before, well I knew some of them but on the executive side I wouldn't have met ... I think that was the only night I ever met Mr. Drumm, for example. So-----