Mr. Brian Cowen:

General things. I mean, he was a guy who I had worked with for a long time since I became a Minister. He had, as you know, form ... or expertise in PR, apart from his own business subsequently, so he's a person who was interested in public affairs. We had good chats. But, as I say, never inappropriate discussions about Government business that would be best left with Government. I didn't ... I never did that.