Mr. Brian Cowen:

He's been friendship ... he's a friend of mine for the guts of 20 years. But I've never discussed his business with me in relation to Anglo Irish Bank. He was also involved as a Paddy Power, I've never discussed Paddy Power, because he make an ... he make it clear that that was ... these were not issues that he would discuss with me. If there were people in those organisations that wanted to discuss anything with the Department or me on these issues, it wouldn't be him.