John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

Okay, that's fair enough. I now want to turn actually briefly to Mr. Moran. Mr. John Moran, the previous Secretary General we've had in giving evidence already. He in many respects was one of the first outsiders, maybe the first one, to become Secretary General of the Department of Finance. How would you define his period as Secretary General? And did the Department operate in a different manner while he was in the role? Was there a notable change, I suppose, from his predecessors and if there were, can you just briefly outline them?