Mr. Charlie McCreevy:

Some time ... must be after '99, maybe early 2000. And, lo and behold, and I was most surprised - I wasn't surprised - they came up with a number of 300. So, I knew from early then, is that it was no hope in the wide, earthly world of any of the civil servants agreeing to anything like the numbers we were talking about and we were talking about 10,000 people. So therefore-----