Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

Well, I think I said to you earlier, I didn't know that there was a number. It may be that too much is made of it, but what might have been saved is the ... I'd have to ... no, I'd have to go into areas that we're not supposed to go in. There was a reputational problem at the end of that year for Anglo. That caused a reputational problem for the whole country. That might have been saved.