Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

I had the advantage, Deputy, that I didn't get sick in the middle of this. I didn't fall over, I didn't have the problems that many of the people who were working on this ... on these crisis things did. There were real heroes, people who worked through illness, worked through stress, worked through family difficulties, who really kept going. So I'm not classifying myself with them, but there were real heroes, there were people who ... there were real sufferers but there were real heroes and I saw them. I saw people, you know, in about 2010 I had a series of transfers in the Department in 2011, some of them were just purely because the people concerned were at the end of their physical endurance. So ... and there were the same in other Departments too and the same even in banks, you know, because they had to be rescued and they had to saved too, so I mean, I saw heroes. I'm not going to start naming them, and I'm not saying I was one, but I did see them, they were there.