Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

Well, Dr. Somers of the NTMA later ... at committee, maybe you were there, I think it was a public accounts committee ... made a very negative assessment of NAMA. He didn't do so that day. In fact, he ... he said that he was in favour of it that day. And later, even after the appearance of the committee, he was back in favour of it. So I won't say that he was sitting on the fence, he was on both sides of the fence at different times.