Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

For most of that time I wasn't the ... in the division that was given the fiscal ... you know, that was working on the budgetary and fiscal package. At times I was on the tax side, but the people who put it all together were in a different division. So it wouldn't have been me who was doing that but I mean, yes, I'm aware that we were given advice at different times, and I've read the Wright report, like all of you have and it's clear from that that we were given advice. Wright says that we should have been more, I forget the word he says, strident or more vocal, at different points than we were.