Mr. Derek Moran:

The ... the reference to oral advice is ... is from Mr. Wright himself and that would have been his interviews and discussions with people within the Department ... that while there wasn't a huge written record, that the Minister would have been told and briefed orally on a regular basis. It's no more ... no more than that, Deputy. In terms of ... I mean and I think I do use the ... say it in my statement that you know, you know, the budget strategy memorandum eventually became sort of the starting point, rather than the strategy at the end point-----