Mr. John Moran:

As long as you have separate buildings, you'll have separate walls and different things. I mean, actually, there's just lots of people as well, right. And I'm not just talking about the Department of Finance, I'm talking about the broader system. I've raised some issues. I think they can be dealt with differently and it could be helpful. I think, I'm just, sort of, saying you come into an environment out of large organisations, right - in Zurich we had 68,000 people, so it was comparable to the size of some of the public sector - and you see it operating differently in terms of how the ... there were still silos, there were still different areas but there was an effort to bring people together to have a common, sort of, purpose and I think that's really ... but I go back to technology, I mean, it could be a huge way of breaking down those issues. I mean, we'd got to a point, by the time I'd left the Department - which was in a relatively short period of time - where people were starting to use, you know, laptops or, sort of, tablets they were using, sort of, you know, video conferencing backwards and forwards to each other, so if they were in a WiFi zone in Brussels, they could WiFi back to even their assistants or to their team back here and have a conversation. And that was happening over a relatively short period of time. If you could move the system on two or three more years in terms of that, we would ... you would potentially transform all this, with chats, with all of the new technology ... just have ideas flowing around.