Mr. John Moran:

Yes, I ... yes, I mean ... also I had the, you could say the advantage or the disadvantage during the period I was Secretary General, that we also had to run a Presidency for six months. So the level of engagement we had with Europe was, obviously, very significantly more than it might otherwise have been.

But I think ... and, again, these details are in the annual reports that we have published, we have actually listed in those the number of meetings that were going on, the number of visits we were arranging, and the reports back. I mean, the Department staff are involved not just in, sort of, meetings like the European Investment Bank, not just the official parliamentary-type ... I'm sorry, ECOFIN-type discussions. So you have a financial services committee, you have committees that actually deal with the ... with the economic side. You have the people in the permanent rep in Brussels actually engaging in working groups. And we were also, beyond that, actually volunteering to lead efforts. It was a member of the staff in the Department that is now the chair ... or at least I think he still is ... by the time I left he was certainly the vice chair of the financial services committee of Europe, because of the level of participation, which is unusual for a small country because, remember, the UK does the same thing but they do so from a very different base.