John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

Can ... can I follow on from that? You outlined a difficulty, as you see it, with the operation of ... of Cabinet meetings in terms of the availability of senior civil servants to contribute. How would you envisage Cabinet meetings operating if the list of people which you mentioned were to be all present and contributing? And, in effect, does the current system not allow for senior civil servants to be present on ... when particular issues are ... are being discussed?