Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

I don't have specific recollections of that. I know that around that time he spoke to us. I know that around that time he spoke to the Governor. But, I mean, I suppose what people are worried about in the general public is, was there some sort of inappropriate collusion or that kind of thing, and I never saw anything that would lead me to that view. You know, Ministers meet banks, they meet all sorts ... it's normal. I don't ... didn't do much of it myself. But it's part of the job, like-----