Susan O'Keeffe (Labour) | Oireachtas source

Okay. When Mr. McDonagh was here, on page 56 of his evidence, he says, "[I am sure]", sorry, that we ..."we were very sceptical about the operating models of those two institutions." He was talking there about Anglo and Nationwide. And, on page 51, he says, "I don't think the were solvent" - meaning all the banks, "I don't think they were solvent [on the night of the guarantee]." Given his scepticism about the operating model of those two and his view of the banks not being solvent, is that the reason why Mr. McDonagh was not invited in to be part of those meetings on the night?