Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

First of all I'm slightly shocked, I thought I'd edited that out because I'm not sure it's that relevant. There was a problem at various times that the Minister was concerned that if he put specific information into the, into the Cabinet, it might leak and might undermine our attempt to keep things together. I, I never had a ... any inclination ... indication ... inclination of who he suspected or if it was a particular person he suspected, or just the process.