Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

So, the fact that you were waiting, was not an issue. The issue was, was your view represented. I tried to represent the view of the technical teams that had been working. If Brendan's view was not sought directly, it was because the people leading the discussion either thought they knew what it was or they thought that they didn't need it. What I suspect it was, was that they thought they knew what it was. And remember there were people in and out and I ... because ... I was in an out myself a little bit because I was mostly in the room, I don't know what information Brendan was getting. But, for example, William Beausang, who was in the room with Brendan, had been at the start of the discussion in the room ... now ... look, you're asking people to remember conversations or non-conversations of seven years ago. There is a clear difference, I think, between what I'm giving you as evidence and what Brendan said. But Brendan was a man of great integrity who was trying very hard to be helpful at a time when not everybody was, and I don't think, you know, I don't think he's making up this story, I think he just has a different recollection to the one that seems most likely to me.