Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

Well, that's what I'm saying ... on the night, the Government had the advantage of the NTMA and Merrill Lynch's views because the people in the room had been talking to them over the previous days and I presented ... I certainly made sure that the ... the fact that the NTMA/Merrill Lynch, the team, had a different view was presented to the Taoiseach, the Minister, the attorney, who were all in the room.