Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

It would be a lie to say that I never heard the Taoiseach use the F-word, but I don't remember that specific turn of phrase. But it was clear at a particular point in time, that he had ... I don't think that happened, I don't think it happened in that way. I mean, I mentioned, round about, it must have been midnight, it must have been nearly midnight, that, even at that stage, I said to him, "Look, if we're doing a nationalisation, I need a few hours to get it ready - a few months would be great, but I need a few hours." And he said, "Look, Kevin, I'm not going to be rushed." He didn't say, "Eff off, Kevin"; maybe he did, but I wouldn't have, maybe I'm immune to that, but he certainly didn't. There was no tone to it, there was no sense of, you know, "How dare you." So I don't remember it; if it was said, it, maybe it was, but certainly there was a point in the evening when the ... the decision was made. And honestly, to my mind, it's a bit of an irrelevance in what tone the decision was made, so long as it was made.