Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

I'd have to check notes but we met various people ... when I say ... me, myself, my bosses and so forth. So I remember that there were meetings in the Department, whether Ministers were involved or not, with Sean FitzPatrick, Gillian Bowler, I know there were phone calls with Brian Goggin, there was that meeting with Tiernan O'Mahony, there was ... I've a recollection, though I'm not clear if I'm just mixing it up with the Gillian Bowler. Also there was Denis Casey, the Central Bank had a series of meetings with each of the main banks, formal meetings to ... around the same time, and reported those back. So I just don't want to confuse meetings I heard about with meetings I was with. There was obviously the meetings in the Central Bank early in the month about the ... about INBS. I think that Mr. Walsh, who was the ... was it Walsh, who was the chairman of INBS either had a meeting with or a conversation with David Doyle and there's a document on that. Anglo passed us in a document about themselves. That's all that comes to mind at the moment, but that's ... but yes, that's the kind of thing that you would do. At the same time there was all sorts of ... a sort of a way of doing it; people would sort of ring you up and say, "My name is X, I'm a high-powered executive in such and such a bank with a very big name and, sure look, if you need any help, not saying you do, but if you need any help you know where we are."