Susan O'Keeffe (Labour) | Oireachtas source

Yes, okay. I'm ... just wanted to clarify that.

And then finally if I may, in a separate point, much has been written and through freedom of information and so on and shown, the various meetings that the Minister for Finance would have had with various bankers and various property developers and so on. During his tenure as Minister for Finance, when you were the Secretary General, did you ever attend any of those meetings with the Minister for Finance, when he would have been meeting with bankers or ... and-or property developers? And-----